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Electric Windows Total Closure

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My central locking remote control on my Cav TD is off a Vectra B.Is there a way to close (total closure) all the doors,window and sunroof with the remote control?

I am aware that the front windows close when the key is positioned a 11o'clock.If the above cannot be done by remote control,can I wire the doors,windows and sunroof up so they all close with the key?

If it isn't possible to wire the sunroof up so it closes with the key,can I just wire up all the windows so they all close with the key?
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Is it pre-facelift (upto 1991),
Or facelift (1992 onward) ?

If it is facelift, then it is a matter of setting the brown black wire to earth briefly for full closure of the doors.

The sunroof requires it's brown black wire shorting to earth for approximately 9 seconds.

I hope that helps...
I am assuming vectra-b megamoss alarm.

Give me a short while to have a look.
I know TurboDan covered this in one of his threads.


Here you go...

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=6117


Looks like brown black on pin 24...
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I only have the kiekert for central remote locking my car,I don't have it with an alarm.

I don't understand what you mean by the brown/black wire to earth briefly for full closure and sunroof wire for 9 secs.Please could you enlighten me?
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If you have a facelift Cavalier,

The alarm sets the trigger wire to earth.

Therefore to test which wire does what, you replicate this function as follows: -

If you briefly touch a wire between the brown black wire and a metal place on the body, it will close the door locks and windows.

The sunroof wire needs to be touched to the metal place on the body for a full 9 seconds to allow the motor to drive the roof glass to it's closed position.
But only if you have an Omega one touch sunroof.

If you have a Calibra rocker switch, then I don't think this has the brown black full closure wire.
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Once I have identified which cable total closes all the windows,how do I make them close with the remote control?

Sorry,but I am not good at electrics.
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You shouldn't need to join any wires.

If you look at Dan's How 2, he says that you merely plug the existing central locking connector into the remote locking module.

The Megamos requires the joining of the two red wires together.
But you have the Kiekert module, so it should be more or less plug and play.
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My central locking works fine,but the windows will not total close with the remote.

I put the rear leccy windows in myself and they work fine apart from the child lock button not working.Even the front windows (i haven't messed with these windows) will not total close with the remote.

I used Dan's how 2 a while back to install the remote module.

Btw,I have a 1993 Cavalier 1.7 TD.
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Okay -
I have had another look.

It mentions an option of connecting two wires from the remote unit to the car body loom.
(The connector for the central locking unit).

He says -
" join the brown black to the car to make the full closure work - purely optional but i would while your there"

To me that means - look for a brown black wire on the spare connector of the remote module.
Connect this to the brown black in the central locking connector.

That should then do the trick.
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Robsey,I know where I went wrong when installing the remote module,I didn't get the other plug off the Vectra for total closure,am I right?

Sorry for the trouble I have cause you,and thank you for being patient enough to help me.
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As it happens, I have a Kiekert unit too.

There are two connectors.

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The one with the big pins (on right side of the module in the first picture) is the one that the central locking connector plugs into.

The other connector on the left has all the "other" wires.

In the second image, you will see that the second wire from the left is a brown black.

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Look for the brown black in the loom near to your central locking unit.
Facelift Cavaliers including yours should have a brown black full closure wire in the main central locking connector.

Join the thin wire from the remote connector to the wire of the same colour in the central locking connector.

It looks like our posts crossed over.

Yes you need the second connector...
Or at least one pin from it for the total closure wire.
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So I could use a female cable connector,a length of wire (brown/black) and connect to the left plug socket and solder other end to the brown/black wire on central locking connector.
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Yes you could -
do you need me to confirm which pin it is?

Well I will do anyway.

The top row of ouns go from 28 on the left to 15 on the right..
So... 28 - 27 - 26 - 25 - *24 * - 23 etc.

You want the 5th pin from the left. Pin 24.

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As Dan said in his post.
If you want the remote to "Dead Lock" the doors via the fob button,
You would need to connect the Black / Blue wire (on the larger flat pin just to the right of the plastic moulding line on the bottom row of pins) to the wire of the same colour in the central locking connector.
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So is it that black/blue wire (the only black/blue wire in pic) that is for deadlocking car with remote?

I might go get a Vectra plug from scrap yard bc the pins look too thin for put a female cable connector to fit on.
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You can get little pin connectors for these.
AMP make the plugs, but I think Maplins, RS and Farnell all do the pins.

They are in a lot of module plugs, such as in display connectors, or instrument plugs etc.

Yes that black blue when connected to the main Cavalier central locking connector loom will indeed dead lock the car when you lock via the remote button.

It appears that Vauxhall moved a few wires about when changing from Cavalier to Vectra-B.
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Thanks again,Robsey.
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Glad to help. :thumb
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Robsey,there is two brown/black wires on the main central locking connector.I tried connecting to one of these wire at a time but it still wont work.

Do I have to join the brown/black wire on the remote connector to both brown/black wires on the main central locking connector at the same time for total closure to work?

Btw,the remote connector I got yesterday was from a MK4 Astra (I couldn't find a Vectra connector) and fits perfectly.Would the total closure work with this connector if I have wired it up correctly?
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I would say, otherwise only one side / half of the car's windows will close.

Unless the two browns blacks meet at the same pin in the connector.
If as I suspect, both wires do go to the same pin, then it will be okay to join your remote wire to either of the two wires in the door locking connector.
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I have edited my post before this one.
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If the astra connector is the same, and is wired up the same as in my pictures,
Then yes it should indeed work.

I would have expected at least some reaction from the car if either of the wires are connected.

How odd.
I have a few days off later this week, so may have some opportunity to investigate for myself
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Ok.I will keep trying myself to see if I have done anything wrong.

The wire in the 5 pin on the Astra connector is red/yellow but it still should work.

Is there a certain way to use the remote fob to total close the windows?
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Just press the button as usual I should think.

Although on my Vectra-C, you have to hold the button pressed to close the windows properly.
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Robsey,in the Dan's how 2 he states,join the black/brown wire to the car to make the full closure to work.He does not state which colour wire you have to join the black/brown to.
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It should be to the wire of the same colour.
I can have a play with my unit tomorrow.
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blowfelt wrote: I am aware that the front windows close when the key is positioned a 11o'clock.If the above cannot be done by remote control,can I wire the doors,windows and sunroof up so they all close with the key?
If it isn't possible to wire the sunroof up so it closes with the key,can I just wire up all the windows so they all close with the key?
blowfelt wrote:I put the rear leccy windows in myself and they work fine apart from the child lock button not working.Even the front windows (i haven't messed with these windows) will not total close with the remote.
Not sure if it's relevant but using the key on my cdx ff windows closes the rears too, as long as the child lock is off.
Is it feasible the button not working is keeping the child lock on by default as a safety feature, stopping the rears from key closure
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