Electric Windows Total Closure

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Re: Electric Windows Total Closure

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The remote fob should still total close the front windows though,shouldn't it.

Is the scotch lock connectors good for connecting wires,or should I solder wires together instead.
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You can use scotchlok as a temporary fix or for testing the circuit.

But once you are satisfied that the wires are correct, I would solder and sleeve with heat shrink tubing.
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I was wondering with the total close not working and the scotch connectors.It might be down to the scotch lock connectors not contacting properly.

Do I have to connect the deadlock wire also for the total closure to work?
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The dead lock wire does not need to be connected for full closure.

It is only connected if you want the doors to dead lock on the press of the fob button.

I have just put all the Vectra-B connections onto an excel spread sheet.

I am about to compare the 12 pin pinout to the Cavalier schematic.
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Okay - just looked.

According to my reckoning the brown / black wire on pin 24 of the other connector, wants connecting to the brown red on pin 5 of the cavalier central locking connector.

That took a lot of trawling....
It is very deeply hidden in the Haynes manual.
There is a link wire from the connector pin 5 that goes to a box labelled FH.
FH is the window lifter circuit...
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If you do want the dead lock wire, then the only black blue I can see is in the loom to the driver's door connector.

I could not see any black blue in the central locking module.

Maybe Dan originally meant for you to connect the brown black to the driver's door connector too.

I have done something like this on my car already somewhere, as I linked my sunroof closure wire to a brown black a few years ago.
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The two wires that come out of pin 5 on my main central locking connector are black/brown,not brown/red.
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Where is the driver's door connector positioned?
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In the front of the door frame.
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My door switches that operate the rear windows and child lock button do not work,would this stop total closure of all the windows or just the rear windows?

I have brown/black on pin 5 of the main central locking connector,it isn't brown/red.

Is there a list identifying what each pin is for on the 12 pin main central locking connector?
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I have a pin out of course :p

The Vectra-B connector does not have pin 5 populated.
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Try this from my sleepy state at silly o'clock this morning.

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I cannot guarantee 100% accuracey, but it should be pretty close.
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The right connector on the right (your 1st pic) of the Kiekert module are numbered 1 to 12.The wire that goes into pin 5 on my cav connector is brown/black,it is not brown/red which you stated in an earlier post.
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I would not worry about the exact colour.

The Cavalier colours are from Haynes, which may also not be 100% correct.

The Vectra-B colours are from TIS2000.
Anyone who has used TIS will know that the odd error does sneak through.

Vauxhall / Opel have a notorious history of changing things without warning.
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So it could be another coloured wire for total closure,or could it be down to the rear door window switches and child lock button not working that my be stopping total closure of all the windows?

Even if the buttons don't work,it wouldn't stop the total closure of the front windows (never messed with front windows,I've only upgraded rear windows to leccy ones),would it?

Do you have a layout that identifies the door connector pins?
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Do your front windows work from the key held in the lock position at 45 degrees?

If yes the fronts should work.

If not, then it won't work.

As a point of interest... my pin 5 is brown black too.
So makes sense that it will be the closure wire.
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Yes,both my front windows close when the key is positioned between 10/11 o'clock.
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In that case, the front windows should lift when you hold the lock button pressed.

As it happened, I couldn't test mine as the fob battery was virtually dead....
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The front windows will not close when pressing the lock button on the key fob.

I also tried the 24 pin brown/black wire to the brown/black wire on the car's main wiring loom,still no joy.I even joined the deadlock black/blue wire to the black/blue wire on the car's main wiring loom,but still no joy.

When I lock the car with the key fob,it locks the car and the module makes a clicking noise.When I press it again for deadlock or total closure,there is no clicking noise.
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One difference I see between my wiring pin out and my photos, is there is no red wire on pin 18 of my Vectra-B remote central locking unit - but it clearly indicates a red wire in the table.

Dan says that the red wire is needed only on the Megamos for locking.

I wonder if it is needed on the Kiekert unit for full closure.

So the three wires that you may need are.

Pin 18 - red - battery voltage.
Pin 24 - brown black - full closure
Pin 10 - blue black - dead lock.

I am surprised that I do not see a ground wire in the table nor on my connector.

My table looks somewhat like Dan's.
So it puzzles me why we are struggling with this. :scratch

By the way fuses are: -
Fuse 12 for ignition live
Fuse 17 for battery live.

Regarding the windows
Fuse 26 for fronts
Fuse 30 for rears
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Do we need to connect the live red wire on pin 18 to the live red wire on the car's wiring loom for the total closure to work?

If this is the case,then we need to add a live red wire to pin 18 on the central locking connector bc there isn't one on our connectors.
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Hmm - I detect an air of sod's law...

Just put my battery back on my car, and the full closure did not work off the car nor the alarm.
Only on the centre console buttons.

Although come to think of it,
I didn't synchronise the windows.

(Close the windows on the console switches and keep the lift button pressed for a further five seconds after the window reaches the top of it's travel)
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blowfelt wrote:Do we need to connect the live red wire on pin 18 to the live red wire on the car's wiring loom for the total closure to work?

If this is the case,then we need to add a live red wire to pin 18 on the central locking connector bc there isn't one on our connectors.
I think this could be the case...
Transfer an unused pin from the 28 pin connector and insert it into the pin 18 slot.
Then extend this red wire to a fused permanent live (red) wire in the car loom.

But just to confirm, have you synchronised your windows first.?
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I always sync window after I have disconnected/reconnected power.

Pin 28 is too thin to fit in pin 18.We need a wider female pin connector to fit on pin 18.

What size female pin would we need for 18 pin?
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Ah you mis-read my comment.
I was distinguishing between the 12 and 28 pin connectors.

So from the 28 pin connector....
Get a wire and pin of the same size as the one you require... and fit this in the slot that you need for the red wire.

Also - just synchronised my windows and roof, and they are now working via the door lock and the Meta alarm.
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