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was driving up a mates about 20miles

half way and the cav starts to misfire :( then gets worse and cuts out

so I ring my mate to come get me (bout hour wait)

he arrives I try to start it and it fine wtf so we towed any way

got back home and said well take it down the duals and rev it abit all was fine till it got warm and missed again then got worse n cut out?

really strange

any ideas

also fitted my magnecore leads off the 4x4 just to rule it out aslo checked plugs

thanks
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Cts, drives fine when cold until It warms up. Then splutters and cuts out.
Ive just sorted the same problem.
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Yep, or something breaking down when hot. Crank sensors, coils and ignition modules can all do this
"No the temperature gauge doesn't work........
we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
they check the level when it's serviced don't they?"
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just wont start when its warm at all

so

cts
coil
coil amp?
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Reproduce the fault, check spark. If it has spark then look at the cts and wiring which often had insulation failure inside the black plastic tubing it is in. If the eml doesn't go out on cranking at all then look towards the crank sensor. No spark could mean coil or amp but equally the crank sensor that's why it's good to look at the eml on cranking.
"No the temperature gauge doesn't work........
we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
they check the level when it's serviced don't they?"
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aww il check tomoz

but it will start no problem as it will be cold lol so will have to warm her up lol

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Just sell the car to me , no worries then lol
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:lol:

nooo il break it first :)
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so far I've changed.....

CTS for a genuine bosch one (it had shitty aftermarket one fitted)

Genuine metal crank senor (it had shitty plastic aftermarket one fitted

swopped whole dizzy unit off my 4x4 gsi along with magnecore leads n new plugs

ain't had chance to change coil or coil amp yet (coil amps aint cheap !! :o :lol: )


but so far problem is still there :wall only when warm
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Have you had a chance to reproduce the fault and check for spark when it won't run? If it has no spark then you are more than likely left at coil or amp. If it does have spark then fuel pump or relay, relay being the more likely of the two
"No the temperature gauge doesn't work........
we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
they check the level when it's serviced don't they?"
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aint had chance to check spark yet

ive left it get warm on my drive and reved it and nothing , take it out on the road foot down and the splutter and cut out and wont restart :(

I may just swop coil n amp and fuel relay from my 4x4

btw only now noticed I aint got a engine man light :lol:
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coil n amp changed along with fuel relay

still got the problem :(

been told "could be head gasket?? :scratch strange I know thought id ask :lol:
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id have gone with amp from the beginning but im a bit late
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gsi pie wrote:coil n amp changed along with fuel relay

still got the problem :(

been told "could be head gasket?? :scratch strange I know thought id ask :lol:
How strange, someone used to modern cars that have overheat protection perhaps. You have covered the common stuff now, so you are going to need to narrow it down a bit by checking what you do and don't have when the fault occurs. Fuel and/or sparks. Given that you have changed the dizzy, coil, amp and effectively the entire ignition it is probably safe to assume that the problem is going to be fuel side, but check it anyway. The only other thing that could affect the ignition is the ecu. Fuel wise, did you inspect the wiring for the cts as suggested? Jury rig a bulb on the fuel pump feed so you can instantly see if it loses its supply? There's not much left really that fits the symptoms but if you can follow the diagnosis process to determine what you do and don't have, rather than randomly changing bits, then it will help to pin down the cause. You get the odd ones occasionally that defy logic and the cause doesn't fit the symptoms properly.
"No the temperature gauge doesn't work........
we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
they check the level when it's serviced don't they?"
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no this is strange

the car can be left ticking over for ages on my drive fan kicks in n out fine no problems

but if you drive it then it will cut out with in 15mins

once it cut out , if you press the valve on fuel rail just air comes out n spits tiny bubbles or fuel ..

leave it alone for half hour and shell fire back up wtf

this is no getting to me ive spent all day swopping parts around and driving and getting it towed back home lol

spark is fine when its cut out

so looks like a fuel issue :scratch
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is it an external fuel pump?
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yes gaz

external pump then a FPR thingy then filter all on a bracket tucked up the N/S chassis leg
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try bypassing the damper thing im sure ive heard issues of them failing
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Definitely fuel supply then. Damper, as Gaz suggests is possible, though I have never heard of one causing these symptoms myself. Other ideas, obviously pump, vacuum in the tank due to blocked breather? crap in tank blocking the pickup? You swapped the relay didn't you? Volt drop at the pump?
"No the temperature gauge doesn't work........
we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
they check the level when it's serviced don't they?"
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yes relay swopped over and still same

aint checked voltage at pump yet

blocked breather?
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Take the fuel filler cap off pie, if you have tank breathing issues it can lead to a vacuum in the tank that the pump struggles to overcome. Removal of the cap prevents the vacuum build up helping to diagnose if this is what's going on.
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we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
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il give it ago tomoz :thumb
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the damper thing had been bypassed at some stage

voltage is fine at pump,

im think I could have a hole some were from tank to pump ??

or hole in pick up or ring ?

thinking this as it fine on tick over stood still ,only cuts off when driving (bout 15mins of driving and it splutter n stop n no fuel in rail)
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just looking on google now at problems and came across this..

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7739

"if it is the relay then the EML wont light up with the ignition" ???

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If the voltage remains fine at the pump right up until it cuts out then the relay is fine. If it's fine standing still and only cuts out after time actually driving then my money would be on something floating in the tank and clogging the pickup. I had a similar thing on my capri, and have had a couple of older cars with the same issues roadside too. You could rig an alternative feed to the pump with a can of fuel and a long piece of fuel hose to confirm. Otherwise the pump itself sounds likely. My capri would drive between 8 and ten miles then lose fuel pressure following each clean out of the tank, but once the problem returned it would idle all day long but as soon as I moved the car it would die. I never did find the cause, I replaced the tank and pump when I got fed up with flushing the tank. The ones I have had roadside have been old cars with mechanical pumps on the engine, so no roller vanes and I have blown back down the lines to dislodge the offending item.
"No the temperature gauge doesn't work........
we've driven 150 miles today........
the heater went cold last Thursday........
they check the level when it's serviced don't they?"
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