brake line spec/flaring
brake line spec/flaring
Well my old 94 1.7TD passed it's MOT with a couple of advisories. One of these was corroded a offside front brakepipe. Now I'd been thinking of getting some kit to make up pipes for a while.
One of the thing that is confusing to me is the sizing/flare types. Presumably what I want 3/16 pipe which is the same as 4.75mm? And kunifer is better than copper?
One tool which looks promising is this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brake-Pipe-Fl ... 2a28352463
Now will this do the right sort of flare or do I need the 4.75 DIN flare tool? Also is a pipe bender necessary for a neat job?
Finally what fittings would I need?
Cheers
Jim
One of the thing that is confusing to me is the sizing/flare types. Presumably what I want 3/16 pipe which is the same as 4.75mm? And kunifer is better than copper?
One tool which looks promising is this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brake-Pipe-Fl ... 2a28352463
Now will this do the right sort of flare or do I need the 4.75 DIN flare tool? Also is a pipe bender necessary for a neat job?
Finally what fittings would I need?
Cheers
Jim
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That is a different tool to one's I have seen and the one I have.
A bender really does make a neat job especially with kunifer as its quite hard.
M10 brake unions like these
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... 66&alt=web
A bender really does make a neat job especially with kunifer as its quite hard.
M10 brake unions like these
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... 66&alt=web
....with a brew and my favourite biscuits.
Re: brake line spec/flaring
I've just looked at that tool on you tube. It looks great!
You need 3/16 pipe and flaring tool
You need 3/16 pipe and flaring tool
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
Is it compulsory to flare your pipes to 70's porn music ?btcctroy wrote:I've just looked at that tool on you tube. It looks great!
You need 3/16 pipe and flaring tool
" It's not rust. It's age-related patina "
1980 vauxhall cavalier MK1 1.6L, 1982 opel manta berlinetta 1.8s, 1985 opel manta 2.0 gte, 1990 cavalier 2.0 gl ,1994 cavalier sri x20xev
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1980 vauxhall cavalier MK1 1.6L, 1982 opel manta berlinetta 1.8s, 1985 opel manta 2.0 gte, 1990 cavalier 2.0 gl ,1994 cavalier sri x20xev
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
or this kitbtcctroy wrote:That is a different tool to one's I have seen and the one I have.
A bender really does make a neat job especially with kunifer as its quite hard.
M10 brake unions like these
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... 66&alt=web
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280887932288? ... EBIDX%3AIT
" It's not rust. It's age-related patina "
1980 vauxhall cavalier MK1 1.6L, 1982 opel manta berlinetta 1.8s, 1985 opel manta 2.0 gte, 1990 cavalier 2.0 gl ,1994 cavalier sri x20xev
-1995 cdx x20xev
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Matt
1980 vauxhall cavalier MK1 1.6L, 1982 opel manta berlinetta 1.8s, 1985 opel manta 2.0 gte, 1990 cavalier 2.0 gl ,1994 cavalier sri x20xev
-1995 cdx x20xev
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Matt
Re: brake line spec/flaring
That's ok for a quick repair and might be ideal for this guy.ilovedmymantas wrote:or this kitbtcctroy wrote:That is a different tool to one's I have seen and the one I have.
A bender really does make a neat job especially with kunifer as its quite hard.
M10 brake unions like these
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... 66&alt=web
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280887932288? ... EBIDX%3AIT
However i don't like steel fittings, i only use brass as they never rust and seize up
....with a brew and my favourite biscuits.
Re: brake line spec/flaring
Well if that's what rocks your boat then why not. A cup of tea/coffee by my side and lashings of my favourite biscuits is enough to enthuse me to get the job done.ilovedmymantas wrote:
Is it compulsory to flare your pipes to 70's porn music ?
Btw I think I'll purchase one one these tools, ends look great
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
You'll need a pipe bender, a flaring kit and a pipe cutter. All of which are available here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METRIC-BRAKE- ... 0756245481
You'll then want to get hold of some 8mm copper pipes and unions:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280887932288
Also, you might need a crows foot spanner to get the old unions off / the new ones tightened. Don't be too heavy handed in case the old ones snap off while you're undoing them.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METRIC-BRAKE- ... 0756245481
You'll then want to get hold of some 8mm copper pipes and unions:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280887932288
Also, you might need a crows foot spanner to get the old unions off / the new ones tightened. Don't be too heavy handed in case the old ones snap off while you're undoing them.
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
Oh, and don't forget to slide the unions onto the pipework BEFORE you start flaring!
Re: brake line spec/flaring
Cheers guys.
So to confirm it's definitely the SAE 3/16 Flaring tool I need rather than the 4.75 DIN?
Also, although I think I'll probably get the kit as I'm bound to need it again for my old mr2 before long, I found a place that seems to make up pipes for very reasonable money. http://www.brakepipes2go.co.uk/
Thanks
Jim
So to confirm it's definitely the SAE 3/16 Flaring tool I need rather than the 4.75 DIN?
Also, although I think I'll probably get the kit as I'm bound to need it again for my old mr2 before long, I found a place that seems to make up pipes for very reasonable money. http://www.brakepipes2go.co.uk/
Thanks
Jim
Re: brake line spec/flaring
I've always used 3/16 sae.
Was unaware of 4.75 din
I'm sure someone will confirm
Was unaware of 4.75 din
I'm sure someone will confirm
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
I didn't either, but although the pipe size is effectively identical, it appears that there is a genuine difference in flare shape and fittings.
Re: brake line spec/flaring
I'm pretty sure it's 3/16 sae and M10 x 1.0 fittings.
Don't forget a pipe cutter. You don't need a bender if your good with your hands
Don't forget a pipe cutter. You don't need a bender if your good with your hands
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
Ooh, saucy!btcctroy wrote:You don't need a bender if your good with your hands
Re: brake line spec/flaring
For reference should anyone else be interested
there's some good pics of both types of flare here
http://volksweb.relitech.com/brakeln.htm
and
http://www.fedhillusa.com/webnuts/common%20flares6.pdf
so basically bubble=din, cone=sae, fully threaded fitting must be sae, with shoulder could be either sae or din.
The seat of female fittings will be different with sae fittings having a cone that pushes into the end of the brake pipe.
there's some good pics of both types of flare here
http://volksweb.relitech.com/brakeln.htm
and
http://www.fedhillusa.com/webnuts/common%20flares6.pdf
so basically bubble=din, cone=sae, fully threaded fitting must be sae, with shoulder could be either sae or din.
The seat of female fittings will be different with sae fittings having a cone that pushes into the end of the brake pipe.
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Well to me it's the m10 fitting you buy to suit either din or sae.
See pic
See pic
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Re: brake line spec/flaring
I have used a flaring kit to make a pipe up for my cavs rear brakes they are real easy to do, practice first and bending wise I used my thumb and gently eased it slowly into the shape and It came out really neat.
I got my flaring kit from halfords and its a really good kit.
I got my flaring kit from halfords and its a really good kit.
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