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cav turbo buyers guide

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been pondering the idea of buyin a turbo now for a wile, duno if i`m wise or not but i`ve got the itch and its gota be scratched :) i just love the look of them and been wanting to play with summit turbo now for a wile now.
theres 1 for sale not that far from me at the min mite be going for a look shortly if its still about,
basically looking for any usefull info wat potential problem areas these mighty cars may have.
dont intend sellin my v6 sr1 at all but may have to part with my nova tho :(
needs must as they say.
cheers for any usefull info steve.
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The only thing I've heard about that happens is the transfer box going. Apart from that, it is a Cavalier so everything is as per usual, depends how it's been looked after.
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as above check the 4x4 is working (unless its been locked)

pritty much same as any other cav rust areas etc
My valver brings all the boys to the yard, dam right its cammed and carbed, dam right it pops and farts, I would show you but the fuker won't start!
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so nothin really out the ordinary to watch out for (other than the 4x4)
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Pretty much. Give the underside a good check over for corrosion as said above, and make sure it's been serviced regularly. Other than that, can't say much else.
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Usual Cavalier stuff, bulkhead, chassis legs, sills (especially under sideskirts), arches, etc. plenty of Turbo specific stuff to look out for though:

Engine

The main issue with the C20LET engines is the fact the cylinder heads are prone to going porous. In a nutshell, there is an oil-way which runs within 6mm of a water channel. Due to poor casting this oil way erodes leading to oil entering the cooling system. Cosworth made some of the cylinder heads and in doing so they saw fit to sleeve this oil way to prevent this from occurring. Therefore having a 'CosCast' head will minimise (but not eliminate) the chance of it going porous whereas as with a GM head the risk is significantly increased. The problem arises when you consider that GM did not fit the CosCast heads to any specific model of car, it appears to be completely random as to which cars got them.

Therefore one of the first things you should check upon opening the bonnet is the coolant bottle. Look for a mayonnaise-like sludge, this will give an indication as to whether or not the head has gone porous (beware this could also be a blown head gasket). Secondly check as to whether or not the car has the Coscast head. This can be done as follows. In the picture below you can see that the core plug is arrowed. This denotes a GM head, CosCast heads do not have this core plug. There are other small differences between the heads but this is the easiest way to tell them apart. The pipe running above the plug is Couternays own porous mod.

The Topbuzz website has an excellent page on this subject, as does Richard King:

http://www.topbuzz1.carenthusiasts.co.u ... _heads.htm
http://cav16.co.uk/cavalier/

The only other real worry with these engines is the turbo. The KKK-16 is good for well over 100,000 miles if looked after properly. Regular oil changes (3000 miles) using Vauxhalls own semi-synthetic oil, allowing the turbo to warm up (approx 10-15mins) before pushing it and allowing it to cool down for no longer than 1 minute will see it a long life. Does the current owner know this? For more information on how to look after the turbo go to Richies Owners Guide.

http://www.cavalierturbo.com/downloads/ ... _Guide.doc

When was the cam-belt last changed? If the current owner doesn't know and there is no receipt or mention of it in the service history make sure it is the first thing you do once you have bought the car.

Sump gaskets often leak on these engines as does the distributor o-ring. These are common problems and even if a little awkward to put right shouldn't put you off buying the car.

Transmission

The F-28 gearbox is pretty much bombproof, however, the synchromesh on second is often the first part to go as the boost is limited by the ECU in 1st gear. Listen for a crunch upon engaging 2nd. Replacement parts are now available for the F-28s through Regal. Don't worry if you find it hard to get the car into 1st, 6th or reverse gear. The chances are it's just the linkage which needs aligned.

As most people are aware the Cavalier Turbos Achilles heel is the transfer box. The first thing to check is that the accumulator carries a white ring. The plain black ones are a recalled item and are faulty. There are other accumulators that carry 3 white dots, these were an intermediate item and will now also need replacing. For reference the accumulator should be changed every 52,000 miles or 6 years, whichever is the sooner. There should be a yellow label on the cars slam panel denoting when the next change is due.

To check the functionality of the transfer box start the car making sure the 4x4 telltale comes on and goes out after a few seconds. The cars wheels should never spin (unless driving like a complete maniac in the wet!) and there should be no knocks or thumps from underneath the car when pressing the brake or clutch pedals whilst driving.

Another important test to do is the 'whoosh' test. Start the car and let it idle for a few minutes. Then switch off the engine and turn the ignition through 2 clicks (so the dash lights come on). With the bonnet open listen carefully, when you press the brake pedal you should hear a fluid squirt type noise coming from the accumulator area. This is the solenoid relieving the pressure from the transfer box, theoretically disengaging the 4wd. If the 4wd is not functional for any reason there will not be anything to disengage. The fluid-squirt should happen every time you press the brake pedal, up to around 25-40 times.

Other very important things to note: are all the tyres the same make and do they have the same tread depth? Does the current owner rotate the tyres every 3000 miles or sooner?

Suspension

Be very wary of cars that are lowered. Lowering the 4x4 Cavalier induces camber on the rear wheels due to the IRS rear setup. This in turn reduces the rolling circumference of the wheel which is the equivalent of running the car with mis-matched or unevenly worn tyres. A camber kit is available to correct this, however many owners do not bother.

As with all Cavaliers with Independent Rear Suspension (or not!) the rear chassis legs are prone to extreme rot. I have yet to hear of a Cavalier Turbo that has suffered this fate badly but many of the older GSi2000's have been condemned come MOT time due to this. Check my Cavalier WIP for example pics of the kind of thing I mean.

The design of the front lower arms was altered in May 1994 by GM to make them stronger. The earlier arms had a tendency to fail due to people using them as a jacking point. Most will have been replaced by now due to bush-wear although it would be prucdent to check them.

Make sure to also check for the usual things such as bouncy shocks, leaks, and knocks caused by worn anti-roll bar bushes.

Brakes

The brakes are largely ok on these cars. The 284mm front discs can be expensive though so its nice to see some receipts for recent ones having been fitted. A lot of people will upgrade the brakes if the cars engine has been tuned. Also make sure the ABS light comes on and goes out when starting the car.

Bodywork

The Cavalier Turbo shares the same basic bodyshell as all the other Cavaliers and as such it inherits the problematic rear wheel arches :no . Mud and dirt gets caught on the arch lip and if not removed will eventually rot through the arch. The lip needs to be rinsed clean regularly and many owners also apply waxoyl around the area as a preventative measure.

Other than that normal things such as panel alignment should be checked and be fine.

Interiors

Turbo interiors tend to wear very well. Look out for wear on the drivers seat bolster though. Also, the handbrake and gear lever gaiters are prone to the material cracking and flaking off. This is normal. Cars without electric windows or sunroofs are often ex-police cars.

Other than that it's a common sense approach really, you'll know if it's been ragged or not. The most important thing, of course, is to get some pics up here!

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4x4 ftw :lol:
My valver brings all the boys to the yard, dam right its cammed and carbed, dam right it pops and farts, I would show you but the fuker won't start!
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I do think allot of the turbo buying guides are very harsh. I mean as with any cavalier they are all now very old and so even the niceest one out there will have problems(wether the owner likes to admit it or not i garuntee it will!)

I've had 4 turbos now over about 5 years and so have had allot of experience with them. A good quick way of testing the 4x4 is actually working if your not convinced the light is working or not is to put the car in reverse and the drive on full lock backwards. Now if the 4x4 is working as it should then it will feel very tight and it will feel like it wants to stop. If it was 2wd it wouldnt do this and it would roll freely on full lock.


Interior wears just like any other car would, Bolsters always wear first on a recaro seat and the steering wheel will have plenty of wear too on your average turbo unless its been replaced.

Engine wise just make sure it runs well and it should boost ok. If its completely chavved up then walk away and find another one to buy unless its dirty cheap. The engines do break but are only as expensive as other engines to fix.


Great cars, Great fun, Keep it clean and you'l be suprised at how many comments you will get off people admiring it.

Although i will say if your one of them people that send there car to a garage to have everything fixed then don't buy one. If you like getting your hands dirty yourself then go for it :D
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agree with turbodan, if you dont like getting your hands dirty stay well clear, when there going ok they are great, but they are very tempramental, i have a very good one, but theres always something to do on it, Ads
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